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Venom star Tom Hardy recently said that his favorite scenes from the moviedidnt make it into the final cut, while Venom co-creator Todd McFarlane revealedhow he would have changed the movie. Meanwhile, we ranked every Venom universe Symbiotebased on how 90s Xtreme they are.
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Yeah, we had to manufacture that, because obviously in the comics they bond over the fact that they both hate Spider-Man, Fleischer said. Since we didnt have that as something for them to connect over, we went with the idea that theyre kindred spirits, and that Venom sees in Eddie somebody like himself who–on his planet, maybe Venoms a bit of a loser too, and then on our planet he decides he can be a big fish in a small pond.
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I think in that first closeup when you see him, when he first appears with Treece, and hes holding him by the throat, he just looks like hes actually there, which Im really proud of, he said. I really felt a responsibility, especially since we couldnt put the spider on his chest, that we make Venom be as true to the comics as possible despite that fact.
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The most glaring representation of Spider-Mans absence in Venom is easily the lack of the Symbiotes iconic white spider logo thats normally emblazoned across its chest, which Fleischeraddressed at Comic-Con. As he rightfully points out, giving Venom a spider logo in this movie makes no sense. And as he told GameSpot during a recent interview, figuring out how to make up for Spideys absence in the movie was the most challenging part of production.
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Given that they had to change so much about the character, Fleischer tried to stay true to the comics in as many other ways as possible, from the visuals to the writing. Lines of dialogue are ripped straight from the pages, while Fleischer used his favorite comics panels as inspiration for Venoms visual design.
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That was the most challenging part, because you have something thats so iconic, and anything you put in its place just doesnt look right. So it took a lot of time to find something that was distinctive and subtle.
Venom and Spider-Man are linked inseparably in fans minds, and for good reason. In the comic books, Venoms entire characterization, from its motivations to its appearance, revolves around Spidey. So making the newVenom moviewithout any reference to Spider-Man seems like a gargantuan task–a fact Venom director Ruben Fleischer is well aware of.
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The Venom spin-off movie has been in the workssince at least 2008, but its unclear how much work from earlier versions was incorporated into the latest iteration. According to Fleischer, the version of the movie hes worked on–the draft penned by Scott Rosenberg and Jeff Pinkner–never had Spider-Man in it. So its not like we had to extract him from it, Fleischer said. It was always, from its inception, built as an origin story with a new approach. And I thought of it as an Ultimate version of Venom, like an Ultimate movie version of Venom.
That was the only real thing that was a limitation, was the fact that we couldnt feature Spider-Man at all in the movie, he said. If theres no Spider-Man, then there wouldnt be any reason to have a spider on his chest. And so it did take a lot of time to figure out what to put in its place, and we ended up with that veiny white pattern, which I think looks super cool. But yeah, we did a ton of iterations of different designs for what the chest would ultimately look like.
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Naturally, Venoms look wasnt the only aspect of the character that had to be altered for this movie. Theres also the question of the Symbiotes motivation–why does it ally itself with Eddie Brock, if not for their mutual hatred of Spider-Man?
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In all honesty, I think we had to ground the relationship in something to justify Venoms betrayal of his own race. And we tried to make it that there was just a real connection between Eddie and Venom, because of their common worldview.
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